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is technology available that you can take control of the plane from somewhere else in situations like this?

The 777 was designed to have remote operability, but the functionality was disabled post-9/11. The software logic is still in the flight control code, it's just dormant. I'm not aware of any other aircraft that had this feature.

The thing that really gets me going, and it's part and parcel with my disdain for 'security theater' at airports, is that there is absolutely no way for anyone in the crew to override the cockpit lock from the cabin. If someone in the cockpit decides they don't want to open the door, that door is not being opened. That's what's known as a 'single point of failure', and the people who insisted on this sort of change to airliners are, imo, culpable in this tragedy. It's a completely stupid rule that was born in the panic after 9/11, where normally right minded people utterly lost their minds in the pursuit of 'security'.

I'd feel less safe flying on a plane that could be controlled remotely than as it is now. Hackers would cause chaos eventually

I'd feel less safe flying on a plane that could be controlled remotely than as it is now. Hackers would cause chaos eventually

Ditto

Agree on there being nothing to stop some rogue pilot from crashing the plane or having a nervous breakdown...stupid, stupid. At the very least, both pilots should have some sort of key or whatever to access the cockpit door. Insane that he spent the better part of eight minutes desperately trying to break down the door to no avail.

I thought two people had to be in the cockpit at all times...

This situation, in my opinion, is probably one of the saddest disasters I can personally recall. I am a big proponent of mental health and that suicide is not as selfish an act as it often gets portrayed. But, this...this is just wrong.

My understanding of the 'remote control' option was that it would have been exceedingly difficult to hack (it involved all sorts of satellite links and could be manually overridden in the aircraft), but Boeing proactively disabled the functionality to preempt security paranoia.

Source of the post I thought two people had to be in the cockpit at all times...

In the US, yes. Not in Europe.

My understanding of the 'remote control' option was that it would have been exceedingly difficult to hack (it involved all sorts of satellite links and could be manually overridden in the aircraft), but Boeing proactively disabled the functionality to preempt security paranoia.

Source of the post I thought two people had to be in the cockpit at all times...

In the US, yes. Not in Europe.

Well, they will be in Europe now.

Never understood why you would hijack a train. That's like the easiest thing in the world to stop; it's literally on rails and can only go one of two ways.

Never understood why you would hijack a train. That's like the easiest thing in the world to stop; it's literally on rails and can only go one of two ways.

Because it goes through Dark Territory, duh.

Agree on there being nothing to stop some rogue pilot from crashing the plane or having a nervous breakdown...stupid, stupid. At the very least, both pilots should have some sort of key or whatever to access the cockpit door. Insane that he spent the better part of eight minutes desperately trying to break down the door to no avail.

This. I understand the need for security, but this led to a catastrophic event.

Has the audio been posted online?

Audio has not bee released, no. But.......

Germanwings crash: Co-pilot Lubitz 'hid illness'

The co-pilot suspected of deliberately crashing a Germanwings airliner into the French Alps hid details of an illness, German prosecutors say.

Torn-up sick notes were found in the homes of Andreas Lubitz, they say, including one for the day of the crash, which killed 150 passengers and crew.

A German hospital confirmed he had been a patient recently but denied reports he had been treated for depression.

This is heartbreaking. I don't care if the guy wanted to kill himself. It's his business. But to take all those people with him. In my mind, I have this picture of some family... wife and a couple kids asking where their dad is.

This is heartbreaking. I don't care if the guy wanted to kill himself. It's his business. But to take all those people with him. In my mind, I have this picture of some family... wife and a couple kids asking where their dad is.

Yeah. This guy was an dadhole.

I think it is safe to say GermanWings will no longer exist in about 6 months.

‘Open the Damn Door,’ Captain Yelled to Lubitz, German Paper Reports

Bild says passengers can be heard screaming in the background as Sonderheimer shouts: “For God’s sake, open the door!” The captain is then heard trying to smash through the heavily reinforced door while shouting: “Open the damn door!” Moments later the aircraft ploughed into a mountain ravine between Digne-les Bains and Barcelonnette in the southern French Alps, exploding and instantly killing all 150 people aboard — 144 passengers and six crew.

I think it is safe to say GermanWings will no longer exist in about 6 months.

Maybe. It's a wholly owned subsidiary of Lufthansa, so I doubt the company is going anywhere. They might change the name. That would be fairly easy to do.

I think it is safe to say GermanWings will no longer exist in about 6 months.

Maybe. It's a wholly owned subsidiary of Lufthansa, so I doubt the company is going anywhere. They might change the name. That would be fairly easy to do.

That's more what I meant....they will pull a Malaysia Airlines and/or Jet Blue and rebrand.

There were already plans in place to integrate Germanwings into Eurowings

http://news.yahoo.com/germanwings-lufth ... nance.html

I was listening this morning and they said in the transcript that was leaked that the co-pilot was already laying the groundwork to get the pilot out of the cockpit from takeoff.

I guess the pilot mentioned he didn't use the restroom in Barcelona. So multiple times during the ascent and once they got to cruising altitude, the copilot mentioned that the pilot could go and use the restroom.

So finally the pilot said ok and then the plan went into affect.